On the discussion about elogind and dbus 'hate', is there reason?
A vivid discussion has broken out between members of the community, whether q66 considers her/himself one or not is not our prerogative to define, or exclude anyone, about the hardcore stance against FOSS pests such as systemd, elogind, dbus, udev, etc. So since the topic of discussion is very specific it would have been best if a topic addressed the specific issue, which is irrelevant to whether Chimera Linux belongs on a strict list of distributions without systemd or not. The criteria about that list are very clear. The criteria for the “gray” list are not very clear, but nobody really cares about this sloppy list of gray categorized distros, such as void, artix, and devuan.
This is not a fan related categorization and polarization as “some” may prefer to portray it, not in the manner of being Barcelona or Liverpool fans, NY Yankees or Dallas Cowboys, against others. This is about rational content of why we might choose one over the others. The obvious is security of a system for a single user system. ONE does not need enterprise solutions, such as logind and dbus. An administrator who wants to maintain privileges over hundreds of users may benefit from such solutions, we isolated users of a single machine and installation have little to gain and way too much surface to protect over the “known threats” of privacy, anonymity, and security of data. The same may have been true for MS users, back when Win for workroups, and then NT were invented as enterprise solutions, finally combined into one system in XP, vista, 7-8-10-11. To the cost of the user’s system, one size of system fits all who can afford it, and they are the ones who are the market. If you have no money for an i3 or A6, you are no market to be worried about.
IBM’s aim to dominate and dictate what is going on in FOSS through its finance of RH, Gnome, Freedesktop, etc.. and linux kernel itself, may have penetrated a significant part of the FOSS market, but its goal is not yet complete by any means. There are certain actors still out there, pretending to be independents, who facilitate this long-term plan of dominance, while there may be adversaries of equal intents, competitively acting for a share themselves. Qt corporation may be one, Intel may be another, Google, Oracle, MS, among others. So let us see what aspects have yet to be penetrated. A glibc based infrastructure has been penetrated to the maximum, and Gnu-tools based systems as well. A Musl based system is next, while the BSDs are also to be exploited. So are the active members/project actors for sale, working on those submarkets? Porting systemd, elogind, dbus functionality, udevd, into systems that have traditionally lived without? Would that be the next stage goal for corporations to achieve? If Qt is successful in one subcategory that fits the general goal, can it be purchased, owned, controlled, by a bigger fish? Of course, it can and it will when time is ripe. Can Oracle strategists see where all this is going and strategically forming alliances with IBM or others to be there among the few when time comes? Of course they can. So don’t go “wow!!!” when the news are official, try to see the news before they happen.